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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jun 6, 2012 6:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Home Before Daylight

Just finished Home Before Daylight, Steve Parish's book.

Not sure what I think yet but it left me with a melancholy feeling. Probably has to do with the detail he gave regarding Jerry's spiral. He seems to place the spiral's beginning much earlier than the mid-80's which I had kind of gotten the sense of from other books.

One thing that caught me off guard: Deborah Koons filmed Jerry's funeral and that there is a tape of it out there somewhere.

Anyone else have any thoughts?


http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/asxcards/gd1972-10-21set2VanderbiltUniversityNashvilleTN.html

Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 6, 2012 10:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

I thought it was a decent read. Some fun stories and kind of what i expected although i find it hard to believe he claims he wasnt into the coke except when nescessary for work. But then again no reason to lie. I find Rock Skullys book the most depressing. I though Phils was more depressing too. Made me sad that theres hardly any mention at all of the years i think are their peak ( 71-74 especially ). Its all about the 60's understandably but goes right to drinking and drug problem years then boom he met his wife and it turned his life around. Im sure that is what it was like for him but for a fan who'd rather listen to 73/74 ten times over the 80's its kind of a bummer. Overall i find Greenfeilds bio to be the best

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jun 6, 2012 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

I have not read Parish's book yet, but I just finished Phils book. Seemed to me that the substance decline began during the "retirement". It seems trendy around here to believe 1983 was the year Jerry started doping up.

Phil definitly went down the alcohol road during the mid 70's time period and was coming out of it by the early 80's. I gathered from Phil's book that the fabled '77 period was when Jerry lost his self control to heroin.

from the chapter that starts out:"Early in spring 1977..."

page 229

"for the band, a dispiriting development during this period was the introduction into the scene of a form of heroin known as "Persian"." The rest of that paragraph goes on to say that "the drug gradually took over his life" refering to Jerry.

I can hear that in the darkness of the music from that time period. Its very interesting stuff, but it sounds really dark and druggy- not psychedelic druggy at all. By the 80's they sound like the stadium rock band that would finally bring them "riches". Not as deep or as dark...

Wasn't that about the same time (late 70's) that Eric Clapton and Pete Townsend were publicly battling the heroin bug? Disillusioned by the failure of the 60's scene as it had turned into the totally shitty 70's.

Coke & cig's were probably the culprit of the fozzy bear Jerry voice that started in the mid 80's as heroin had been a problem for quite a while by then.

This post was modified by Little Sense on 2012-06-07 03:26:52

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jun 6, 2012 8:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

" It seems trendy around here to believe 1983 was the year Jerry started doping up"

I agree. That seems to be a good choice for the year that a lot of people believe heroin started to "actually affect Jerry's playing." As I said, Parish seems to place it about 4 years earlier. I'll have to study on that a little further.

In the book, Parish differentiates between heroin and "Persian". He calls Persian "smoking the rat." I took away that the rat, "a Persian-based morphine sulfate" (Parish p. 196), was to heroin what DMT was to acid, but that's just a feeling of mine.

"[Early spring 1977,] I can hear that in the darkness of the music from that time period. Its very interesting stuff, but it sounds really dark and druggy- not psychedelic druggy at all."
To me, that late 77 through 78 sound, but especially Feb & Mar 78, has a heavy, thunderous sound that I would equate with increased cocaine use. Listen to the Uni-Dome on DP 18.
Of course, I believe the super-long, pre-hiatus shows were fueled with cocaine but I don't believe they were jaded then and that's why you have they are long, jazzy, never-goin'-to-end shows.

"Wasn't that about the same time (late 70's) that Eric Clapton and Pete Townsend were publicly battling the heroin bug?"
I was thinking EC was done with heroin before then; wikipedia seems to confirm:
"Eric Clapton's Rainbow Concert is an album recorded live at London's Rainbow Theatre on January 13, 1973, and released within the year. The concert was organized by Pete Townshend[1] and marked Eric Clapton's comeback after the 1971 Concert for Bangladesh. In the year after the Rainbow Concert, Clapton recovered from his heroin addiction and recorded 461 Ocean Boulevard."
(Confirming with wikipedia seems a lot like kissing your sister. I've heard.)

Thanks for your thoughts; I think you make a Lotta Sense.


Something to chew on:
Parish says he was on stage fixing some of Bobby's gear on 1983-09-03 when the call came through that his daughter Jennifer was born. But they played Park City, Utah on 1983-09-04:
http://archive.org/details/gd1983-09-04.sbd.miller.117185.flac16

Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jun 7, 2012 1:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

"To me, that late 77 through 78 sound, but especially Feb & Mar 78, has a heavy, thunderous sound that I would equate with increased cocaine use. Listen to the Uni-Dome on DP 18."

This is my take as well, and why I can only listen to '78 in relatively limited doses. That nervous energy starts to bug me after a while. I don't care what they were doing in 73 and 74, because it was obviously working ...

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jun 6, 2012 11:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

I remember Parish was on stage fixing Bobby's gear at that Park City show. He sat crouching on the stage for the last few songs holding some cable connection together...you can see him kneeling there in this picture:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cljhrep04oQ

BTW thats my hand with a wrist watch pointing at Parish at the bottom of the picture...I've had a copy of that picture for years. my 15 minutes of fame...pretty sorry excuse for fame.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jun 8, 2012 8:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

"BTW thats my hand with a wrist watch pointing at Parish at the bottom of the picture..."

I'm calling BS, L.S. You are obviously pointing covetously at Bob's lavender polo---come clean, brother, the truth will set you free ;>

Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 7, 2012 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

I think it's pretty cool :)

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Poster: Skobud Date: Jun 7, 2012 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

Okay, so this topic has always fascinated me. Ive read Phils book, Rock's book and Jackson's book nad this is my understanding of the whole blow/heroin thing. THe boys were already freebasing blow like crazy by '73. By the Alexandria show in '74 everyone was so completely over the top blown out that they actually poured all their stash in a pile and burned it or some shit?

THen the Persian. I thought I had read that it was around just now and again up until '78. It was some Iranian car dealers or something that was getting it to Jerry? Somebody please fill in the gaps or whatever I got wrong. Thats what I remember in brief.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 7, 2012 3:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

I thought Clapton and Townsend were battling alcohol issues by then (late 70s and early 80s). Wasn't it on the Empty Glass album that Townsend thanks some brand of cognac for being so damn expensive? Clapton by the mid 80s was getting criticized for being a recovering alcoholic making money by adding his talents to a beer commercial.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 7, 2012 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

My CREAM experience, thus only superficially dealing with EC in the 70s, led me to believe he used etoh to help ease the transition off heroin in the early 70s...ie, heavy use for 3-5 yrs, and then heavy drinking by mid 70s.

That's my limited understanding of his time line.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jun 7, 2012 3:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

Legend has it that Townsend was into alcohol but EC was definately into the heroin club.He was so reclusive for some time that it took Pete and some friends to convince Eric to get therapy from this dr. who used a black box that I think shocked him into not doing it among real group,and one on one therapy sessions.It was Pete who put together the Rainbow concert which really brought Eric back to the crowds and the applause he so desperately needed.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Jun 7, 2012 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

Clapton was a JUNKIE of the highest order from late '68 until The famed Rainbow Concert in the beginning of '73. EC had done absolutely nothing but shoot since the Concert for Bangladesh in '71, which you can tell by looking at him he's totally loaded there too. EC makes no bones about those 5 years. He literally had the shit delivered and shot it and never left the house. He has also been quoted as saying he did'nt leave his house for an entire year which I think was 1972(?) Townsend, Winwood, Ronnie Wood, and a host of other pulled him out and saved his life. He was totally done. What a story.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 7, 2012 8:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

I though the book was eye opening with all the brutish, ugly behavior of the crew, but so honest, and self depreciating, that I can't dislike Parish .
As for Garica's "Persian" use, I was under the impression, it started during the 75 hiatus, with pressures of the failing record company, women problems, editing the movie, and desire to get (a little) away from cocaine . But I may be wrong . I do know it wasn't just, Heroin , and unfiltered Camels, I have several people tell me he would show up at a "party" with a briefcase full of all sort of chemical entertainments . I like how Steve makes the distinction between the early days of "communal" drugs (pot, LSD, nitrous ) and , the latter selfish "my stash" , "powder" drugs ( coke, heroin ) , and how that change affected the band .
Some great music came out of period's when they ( esp. Garcia) were pathetically besotted with drugs of some sort These books make you keep this in mind ..But even at his worse, Jerry could somehow have moment of great profundity . Uggghhh .

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Poster: Reade Date: Jun 7, 2012 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Home Before Daylight

I liked Weir's forward to the book (remember Steve kinda became Jerry's guy over time), which contained maybe a iittle warning to Parrish along the lines of... 'careful what you write here Steve, 'cause you're not the only one who can write a book ya know! '

I've also wondered if Parrish didn't prank his readers just a tad with that Frank Sinatra story. Seems dubious to me.........

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